This is crazy. The latest episode of 0ne of my favorite podcasts — The Image Podcast — features a conversation between host Jessica Mesman Griffith, writer Morgan Meis, and… me!

Listen here.

We talked about how our life stories brought us to art and faith by very different paths.

We talked about Agnes Varda films.

We talked about Mike Leigh’s movie Another Year.

We talked about the striking differences between my fashion sense and Morgan’s.

It was quite a surprising conversation.

And now, you can listen in.